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Logitech HD Powerline 200a Starter Kit for Logitech Revue & Internet-Connected Devices (930-000131)


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Logitech HD Powerline 200a Starter Kit uses your home’s existing electrical wiring to turn any outlet into an Internet connection, so you can use your Internet-connected entertainment devices in any room in your home.

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Need a really long ethernet cable through your house? this is it . Update - on alot of the vine products I get from amazon to review, I end up giving them away to friends and family who can use them more than I can. On this one, I kept it - it's so useful in my house not to stretch ethernet cat5 cable that it found a permanent home right here. Now on to the review.

How do you run ethernet over powerlines anyways? Well remember DSL many years ago - they ran etherent over telephone lines for 15,000+ feet at 1.5 mbps. Of course you don't have 15,000 feet of electrical wire inside your house, so just like the people who lived next door to the phone company you get to up your speed. And Logitech's dsl-over-powerline extension is "up to" a whopping 200 mbps - twice a 100mbps connection (or realistically 100 mbps each way). Basically the data is converted to radio frequencices and coupled onto the power lines inside your house then the process is reversed and the tuned data is converted back to ethernet. This works both ways, but one "end" will be the end with the ethernet link to the public internet. The other box will go where you need an ethernet device to work and you have no cable there. Both boxes plug into the power outlet and use the power lines to couple the radio onto the power wires.

SIMPLICITY. Folks, it just doesnt get any easier than this. There are two boxes - both are the same! You plug one into an ethernet jack where the internet comes into your house (cable, dsl, uverse, fios, even dialup if you have a switch or router). You take the other one to a house plug where you WANT an ethernet jack but DONT WANT to pay someone to crawl around and run the cable under the house or through the attic. I ran mine to the back bedroom bluray player which has ethernet to play netflix on demand -- xbox and playstation can also use it. Plug box #2 (again it doesnt matter which is which) into the wall and out comes high speed internet into your TV - I watched a movie on netflix with it. Simple, no problems whatsoever.

Gotchas:

If you have a BIG house (over 2000 sq ft) or you have LOTS of electrical outlets, you may have some work to do to ensure that both the two logitech boxes are plugged into the same "half" of the powerline. Let me explain what I mean by "half"


In the united states you get 2 coppies of 117 VAC (on average - it ranges from 110-120 so we call it 117 nominal) - the two coppies are out of phase by 180 degrees so if you connect between the two of them you get 234 (on average at least - we call it 240 volts by convention but i've seen 230-242 volts) - it looks like this

(wire 1) <117 vac> (neutral/ground) <117 vac> (wire 2) (this is what comes in from the power company)

These are the 3 wires you get from the power company - the neutral and ground are bonded together at your power panel. These home power units work best when they are plugged into the same "HALF" of the power link (the same copy of 117 VAC) - nobody knows which "HALF" they are plugging into unless their house is VERY well wired (and very few electricians are that detailed or they can't make a profit) so you may need to check around. You have a 50/50 chance of getting the same "half" of the 240 VAC delivered to your house (the same 117 VAC) One way to tell is to use a digital voltmeter - often the two halfs have different voltages by just a bit - one will be 115 and the other 118 vac - a good meter can tell you which you have. This unit will work better with both the two boxes plugged into the same half if you can tell. Other ways are to go to your electrical panel - it alternates halves every other breaker. If you call one half A and the other B, then using full size breakers (not the doubled up breakers where you get 2 in one) will be layed out like this:

A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
(8 breakers in a panel)

or
A B
B A
A B
B A
A B
B A
A B
B A

(16 breakers in a panel). Not all panels are made the same - but when you see the dryer breaker or electric stove breaker (the double wide ones) they sit on both A AND B - the rest get A OR B.

A simple method is to find the breaker your internet side is connected to - figure out if its an A or B, then locate the nearest outlet that has the same code to plug into on the equipment side. A little knowledge of electrical wiring goes a long ways, but do not open the electrical panel because hazardous voltages are all over the place without insulation - opening the cover to see the switches like when you blow a breaker won't hurt, but don't remove the screws that hold the safety cover in place over the breakers - that one should stay put.

If you put both halfs of the transmitter/receiver set on the same half of the electrical panel you will get the FASTEST link speed and the longest distance. If you connect them to opposite sides, they may still link up (but in order to get from B to A they would travel through a 240 VAC device such as the clothes dryer - its a longer path and the signal strength is not as good - sort of like being further from the phone company on dsl - and the distance will not be as great, so a little work to figure out which circuits you are plugging into will go a long ways to getting the most reliable and fast, longest connection. Just remember that some "double" breakers do exist which only take one spot in the panel (an A or B) and have two half wide levers, and 2 wires leaving the single breaker - both wires are considered to be on the same circuit (A or B).

If thise seems confusing, a good book is Wiring Simplified: Based on the 2008 National Electrical Code and will go a long way to explain how homes are wired in two halves of 117 VAC, each out of phase with the other.

With a little work, the power line system can go thousands of feet - it's been tested between well pumping stations down a mountain road - all were on the same "A" circuit and sent their pump data back to a data logging system via tcp/ip. The newer systems are faster and more reliable - and easier to use. Logitech hit this product out of the park with a good design and LOTS of simplicity -there are 2 leds - blue means you have power, green means you have a link to the other end. There's even a switch to turn off the LEDs when you are done futzing plugging it in and setting it up.

Last note - do NOT plug this into a UPS or a power outlet strip with an attenuating "NOISE FILTER" - that "NOISE" is your DATA! - the last thing you want to do is filter it out! Just use a simple household outlet - that will be the best link. (you can still run the product on a UPS but it will loose the internet link upon power failure.)

FINALLY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ASK "IS MY DATA SAFE" - yes - the power line devices stop at the transformer that services your house. I tried an experiment and setup the transmitter on my house then went next door to my neighbor and could not get the green light to come on - just the blue power light. Security is the last thing to worry about with this product. Logitech isn't broadcasting to the world.

This is a great way to run ethernet through your house to any outlet and very good for older homes that were not wired with cat-5 everywhere.







Logitech HD Powerline 200a Starter Kit for Logitech Revue & Internet-Connected Devices (930-000131) Reviews
Wow. 5 minutes and it's a go. Use on my Direct TV DVR. . Original review. Jan 25 2011.
Updated Sept 2011.

Still works perfectly. Never have had a problem. A great item.


Received the box, opened it, and 10 minutes later was recording the Video On Demand, HD Smithsonian channel on my Direct TV HD DVR.

Since my DVR is not a wireless device, and the Powerline is interpreted as a direct ethernet connection, I did not have to enter the long 20 digit Linksys passcode. This means that those having problems with their wireless connection shouldn't have any problems with this device. It's a wired device, without wires. Nifty.

Perfect picture. I do have a good high speed cable service, and the download was very fast.

There is a thin leaflet for directions, but it's self explanatory. Plug the supplied ethernet cable into the Plug in unit, plug it into your outlet, and plug the other end into your router. Plug the other ethernet cable into your other plug in unit, plug it in to the power outlet, and connect the other end to your device (mine is my DVR).

What's it for? Although many devices are now wireless, a lot are not. My 3 Direct TV DVRs are not. My Blue Ray Unit is not. They are on the other side of the house from my router, and this gives me an instant connection. Tremendous versatility.

Things you should know.
Can't be plugged into a surge protector or strip-not recommended anyway.
The plug in units are large. I plugged mine into a single prong extension-the liberator, that I just bought from Amazon. So any two prong (no third grounding needed) extension should work. That way, you still have one plug available.

I'll be using this quite a bit, and will update this review as conditions warrant.





Logitech HD Powerline 200a Starter Kit for Logitech Revue & Internet-Connected Devices (930-000131) Opinions
Great Combination: Easy Set-Up and It Actually Works . This Powerline Starter Kit showed up at my front door at 6.00 p.m. yesterday evening and by 6:20 p.m. I had it up and running. It is that simple to install.

My initial test of the system was to connect my U-verse router and a laptop that I use on the other side of the house (the locations of the router and the table on which I use the laptop are about as far apart as any two points in the house).

I am one who almost always follows step-by-step instructions as provided by manufactuers. In this case, a small illustrated booklet is provided by Logitech, but this is one of the rare times I felt totally confident about hooking up the components without worrying much about the instructions. I did flip through the booklet long enough to spot the warning about not plugging an adapter into a power outlet stip but that was about it.

It was simply a matter of plugging an adapter into the wall outlet nearest my router and connecting the two with one of the Ethernet cables that came with the kit. Next, I carried the remaining adapter and cable into the back bedroom where I performed the same operation between a wall outlet and my laptop.

In a minute or two, I was connected to the internet with very comparable speeds to what I get on the desktop that is hooked up directly to the router. No problems, no false starts, no regrets. This is a great product.

(I do have one minor concern with what happened to my U-verse television reception during the process. The picture "froze" on two of the television sets that were on, but not on the third. It is not unusual for me to have this problem with my U-verse DVR, but this is the first time that multiple sets have frozen at the same time. Also, I was unable to get the DVR to properly re-set until I disconnected the adapter from the U-verse router. At that point, I had to turn the power to the router off and let the router re-start, thus re-setting the DVR and television reception.

I have no idea if the problem is actually related to installation of the adapters or not and would love to hear from others who have U-verse and this kit. I have had some very strange, and unpredictable, problems with U-verse during the past year, so this is very possibly completely unrelated to my installation of the adapters.

Regardless, the adapters work as advertised: simple set-up with excelllent connectivity to secondary devices.)
Works as Promised! Painless Setup! . It took me less than a half hour to set up the Logitech HD Powerline Starter Kit. This included reading the simple to understand instructions and bending over to reach an electric outlet behind a chair. At first I didn't see the value of a wired connection when my house is Internet connected via WiFi. Once connected, however, this is noticeably much faster, even to a layman such as myself. I am planning to purchase an Internet enabled HD TV in the near future and using the Powerline to connect that TV would be an excellent solution. My first impression is that this is an excellent product. I will continue to update this review as my experience with the Logitech Powerline evolves.
GREAT technology that WORKS! . QUICK SUMMARY: This wonderfully simple, useful technology takes only a few minutes to setup and then IT WORKS! It is a true "Plug-n-Play" experience. Highly recommended!

Background: In my networked home, I use a four port Cisco-Linksys WRT320N Dual-Band Wireless-N Gigabit Router and a D-Link DGS-2205 5-Port 10/100/1000 Desktop Switch because I ran out of ports on the router. The idea of having an ethernet connection to my network away from my router is very appealing to me, because I can transfer large chunks of photo and video data more quickly than with my G-network wireless connection (although my router is N-network capable, my laptops mostly have G-network interface cards installed).

NOTE: You have to plug-in the network adapters directly into your wall socket, and and not into any surge protecting power strips or power supplies.

*** WHAT I LIKE:

- It is extremely easy to install, and after it's installed, IT WORKS!
- Gives me new options to connect devices to my home network, like my home security system or my Roku XDS Streaming Player 1080p
- It's expandable just by buying more Logitech network adapters
- You can plug it in right-side up, upside-down (i.e., the two prongs are the same size)
- The ethernet cable is surprisingly thin, like a thin telephone wire
- Logitech's gone green, and so the non-retail packaging doesn't use plastic-coated boxes and everything is recyclable.
- You can optionally turn-off all the LED indicator lights, if you wish.
- The network adapters have built-in surge protection.

*** What Could Be BETTER:

- The network adapters are big, black, boxy and bulky, and they won't look great if they're not hidden behind some furniture.

*** PERFORMANCE:

The ethernet connection works well with 10/100 ethernet, but if you've got gigabit ethernet (1000), you won't get gigabit ethernet performance. The Powerline adapters are rated up to 220Mbps, which is still plenty fast for nearly all applications in the home or office (think: you can stream HD movies from Netflix on just a 3 or 6Mbps DSL connection).

To test relative performance in my network, I tried copying a 500MB file from my server (connected to the router via gigabit ethernet) onto my laptop and netbook, using the Logitech Powerline ethernet adapter, G-network wireless (laptop) and N-network wireless (netbook). Here are the results:

** Logitech Powerline took 1.5 minutes to copy 500MB.
** N-network wireless took 3 minutes -- twice as long as the Logitech Powerline!
** G-network wireless took 9 minutes -- nearly 6x longer than the Logitech Powerline!

CONCLUSION: This is one of those pieces of technology that works just exactly the way you would want: plug it in and start using it. GREAT technology! HIGHLY recommended!
Wish this had been around a few years ago! . We purchased this duo set and a single for a total of three. All work beautifully and took less than 10 minutes to have everything up and running. The comparison of crawling through the attic in the midst of a Florida summer, squeezing through small spaces, trying to get cables run without snagging...suffice to say, this is worth every penny just for the ease and convenience!

Have been using for several months, perform perfectly to date. Love the ability to simply unplug and relocate if/when needed but given the low price, just purchase another unit to add on.

Absolute delight!
Yes! . Most products like this work exactly the same with the same results as the concept is simple - stream a Internet connection using the electrical wires in your house. As long as the product moves the data stream along, it functions. This is the second type of powerline product we have used, the other being NetGear. We had it up and running in about 3 minutes (the instructions are really almost unneeded) and streaming a movie from our PS3 in about 5 minutes. If you want to avoid wires to your tv or E center, this is a fine choice.
Great for adding more routers in your house! . My house is fairly big, so one router just doesn't cut it.
I have 2 more routers connected to a Logitech Powerline. The additional routers aren't the fastest, but I still get internet in places I didn't before.
I also have 3 more connected to desktops for a fast wired connection.
I absolutely love these and recommended them to everyone! Just plug it in wait 30 seconds-2 minutes and I'm ready to go!
Still serves a purpose . I was skeptical about this kit going in. I remember when powerline kits were first released. Performance was horrible. They seem to have worked out most of the glitches now.

Connection went off without a hitch and while I didn't go to extremes to test speed, it is faster than my G wireless devices.

As someone who works for a big networking manufacturer, I'm probably not inclined to build my entire network out of these, I believe I could. I might just try to pick up another adapter or two just to see how it effects performance.
Wow! EASY Ethernet in a Flash: Netflix OR COMPUTERS! . May 30, 2011 UPDATE:

My husband's laptop died a horrible death this morning (fried motherboard). Now what? Spend $1500 for a new laptop, or....brainstorm. Thanks to the Powerline system, I was actually able to connect an ancient, unused, 2002 HP desktop computer in the front of the house to the router located in the back of the house & he was back online surfing the net and happy in less than 10 minutes. Performance is terrific, installation's a snap, and it's helped us convert a hunk-o-junk computer into an awesome WIRELESS desktop.

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Original Review:

Logitech's Powerline is a quick and easy way to connect your video streaming (i.e. Netflix) devices to your router or Residential Gateway EVEN if your devices aren't in the same section of the house. It's ideal for streaming situations when your streaming device is slightly out of range for reliable wireless reception due to distance or obstruction issues and for occasions when you don't want to use a 300 foot ethernet cable to connect to the router.

This Starter Kit package comes with 2 Powerline devices, 2 ethernet cables, and 2 optional wall spacers.

To successfully stream video, it's obvious that your streaming device (Roku, Wii, bluray, etc.) should already be connected to your TV, ideally with a high-speed HDMI cable like this: AmazonBasics High Speed HDMI Cable (6.5 Feet / 2.0 Meters) - Supports Ethernet, 3D, and Audio Return [NEW MODEL]].

Here's a simple, step-by step explanation of how to use the Powerline system:

1. Simply take one of the Powerline units into the room where your router is (the box you use to access the internet).
2. Plug the supplied ethernet cable into the powerline unit.
3. Plug the other end of the ethernet cable into any open network port on your router or Residential Gateway (I use an AT&T Uverse Internet Gateway w/ fiber optic service). I randomly chose Port 4.
4. Now, just plug the Powerline unit into the closest electrical outlet.
5. Now, go into the room that houses your streaming device. Plug one end of the ethernet cable into the ethernet port on your device (I tested this on 2 different Roku devices: First this: Roku HD Streaming Player and then this one: Roku XDS Streaming Player 1080p ).
6. Next, plug the other end of the ethernet cable into the powerline device.
7. Now, plug the second Powerline unit into the nearest electrical wall socket.

For the Roku device, the next step was to use the Roku remote control to access the Roku's Settings on my TV. Then, I simply selected "Guided Setup," chose a "Wired Connection" and the Roku was quickly configured to use the Powerline's ethernet connection to access the internet.

Within 8 minutes of opening the Powerline box, I was using a "wired" connection for Amazon Video on Demand, Neflix streaming, and Roku custom channel streaming.

It was simple, easy, and quick. In my experience, the Logitech Powerline speed was a little faster than my Roku's built-in wireless access to the Gateway, but your mileage may vary. I have quite a distance to cover from the Gateway's connection to the location of my television & I prefer the performance of the Logitech system.

The best part: you don't have to be a networking genius to set it up--this really is a "Plug and Play" (NOT "Plug and Pray") system. I set these systems up 5 different times and each time, the Logitech Powerline worked quickly and flawlessly. My network recognized the setup immediately.

No frustration, no engineering degree required. The system is also expandable; you can buy individual Powerline units to connect other devices (TiVo, Google TV, etc.) to your network as needed. Enthusiastically recommended!

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Feature Logitech HD Powerline 200a Starter Kit for Logitech Revue & Internet-Connected Devices (930-000131)

  • Turns any existing power outlet into an HD-ready Internet connection
  • Simple plug-and-play setup extends your home network to any room
  • Uses HomePlug AV networking technology over existing electrical wiring
  • Transmits data up to 200 Mbps -- ideal for your Logitech Revue with Google TV
  • Ships in Certified Frustration-Free Packaging




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Product Details

EAN : 0097855074157
UPC : 097855074157
Brand : Logitech
Weight : 2 pounds
Height : 3 inches
Length : 8 inches
Width : 6 inches
Binding : Personal Computers
Manufacturer : Logitech, Inc
Model : 930-000131
Publisher : Logitech, Inc
SKU : NAS-B004F9P2KU
Studio : Logitech, Inc

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